An IRC lecture about standard IRC services, and how to spoof your IP in IRC. Session Start: Fri Jun 09 21:07:07 2000 [21:07] *** Now talking in #bsrf [21:07] *** Topic is 'Welcome to BSRF's official channel! | Web: http://blacksun.box.sk | Check blacksun.box.sk/irc.html for details about the coming lecture!' [21:07] *** Set by Raven on Thu Jun 08 21:12:24 [21:07] -ChanServ- Welcome to BSRF's official channel! | Web: http://blacksun.box.sk | Check blacksun.box.sk/irc.html for details about the coming lecture! [21:07] Hi again ppl! ... [21:37] 50 Fun Things to Do in an Elevator #23. Show other passengers a wound and ask if it looks infected. you will understand if your from britain have u all seen the new car from ford it is called the pubic cos it is made from old corsairs ;-) im outta here bye snider heehee you best be gone Cya snider haha Min_spy, Stupid Criminal Hall of Shame - England: A German "tourist," supposedly on a golf holiday, shows up at customs with his golf bag. While making idle chatter about golf, the customs official realizes that the tourist does not know what a "handicap" is. The customs official asks the tourist to demonstrate his swing, which he does--backward! A substantial amount of narcotics was found in the golf bag. fish, relax will ya ;-) fish, www.krank.dk/jpg/6.jpg [21:39] *** Joins: Air (~irc@ras3-p92.hfa.netvision.net.il) Min_spy, 101 Ways to annoy people - Instead of Gallo, serve Night Train next Thanksgiving. I am getting close to considering leaving have fun :) DUDE!!! [21:39] *** Air is now known as Air_Farce_I That is the "sick" pic hehehe uhhm yup i know what sick pic? saa ya Cya [21:40] *** Quits: snider (snider@dialin-109-105.mobilixnet.dk) (killed by mr IRCop) when did u last see tcg speak? that is really sick Min_spy, Newspaper Headline Goofs - * Man is fatally slain has neone ever been to darpa.org? could i have the url for that pic? [21:40] 50 Fun Things to Do in an Elevator #31. Wear a puppet on your hand and talk to other passengers "through" it. ooh yeah i love that list! Min_spy, What does a blonde say after finding out she's pregnant? - Gee, I hope it's mine. it's the funniest i've ever seen www.krank.dk/jpg/6.jpg I cant believe people get aroused with that picture awesome, i'll have a look EW!!!!!! hahaha Sorcerer In one word what do you think about that pic? disgustifying! what do u call a load of blondes stanind ear to ear? a windtunnel oh my GOD!! That is old Min_spy, What did the blonde say when asked if she wanted to be a Jehovah Witness? - Gee, I didn't even see the accident. yer sorry [21:42] *** Quits: pr0gmAn (progman@RAS3-p61.rlz.netvision.net.il) (Leaving) [21:42] that pic should be erased... we should hack that site [21:42] Laughs Out Loud ;-) the pic best be gone Min_spy, How do blondes hold their liquor? - By their ears. That isn;t the worst one Its a disgrace to all bigfishes hehe http://www.krank.dk/jpg/Barbra_nude_1.jpg Min_spy, How do you drown a blonde? - Put a mirror in the bottom of the pool. what did princess di wear to her funeral? a dark blue bonnet ;-) Min_spy, The most expensive thing in the world is a blonde - who is free for the night. [21:44] http://www.krank.dk/jpg/yuck.jpg - It's a preety woman! I just dunno why she's with that name - yuck! i like that one ;)) ;-) Min_spy, What did the postcard from the blonde say? - Having a great time. Where am I? [21:45] *** Quits: screw (SCREW@cloaked.ipt.aol.com) (Leaving) [21:45] *** Joins: pr0gmAn (WangScript@RAS3-p61.rlz.netvision.net.il) hahaha e thats nice ;) Min_spy, What is the most used 4 letter word by a blonde? - NEXT! This is a good one! http://www.krank.dk/jpg/Groenla.jpg [21:46] http://www.krank.dk/jpg/what_men_hear.jpg - LOLOLOLOL heehee [21:46] * Min_spy writes that on down Min_spy, Why Chocolate is better than Sex - Chocolate satisfies even when it has gone soft. Ok I am going to stay on but not on the comp. I hope he shows up [21:48] *** DigitalFallout is now known as DF-Away [21:48] * Mind_Booster If you wanna hear some GREAT musik, go to my RaDiO StAtIoN... Use WinAmp, press CTRL+L, and type 213.30.9.154:8888 ... Now it's playing Marilyn Manson!!! [21:48] 50 Fun Things to Do in an Elevator #18. When at least 8 people have boarded, moan from the back: "Oh, not now, damn motion sickness!" http://www.krank.dk/cows/ <---- what the hell is all that about?? Min_spy, Did you hear about the homosexual electron? Went around blowing fuses. hehe hah [21:49] *** Quits: Mikkkeee (~methane@150.108.0.0) (Leaving) ok ppl i am off [21:49] *** Sorcerer is now known as MANOWAR^ [21:49] 50 Fun Things to Do in an Elevator #6. On a long ride, sway side to side at the natural frequency of the elevator. [21:49] *** Quits: MANOWAR^ (VaLhAlLa@129.252.106.93) (Welcome Your NightMare Here. There Is Nothing Like ...And Justice For All Only: Kill'Em All. Yes Yes I Know Sad But True) cya MANOWAR^ [21:50] 2 l4t3 *** No such channel as #portugal pictures of cows...why?? [21:50] *** Joins: RedShadow (~RedShadow@host213-1-138-136.btinternet.com) [21:51] Yo momma so ugly they push her face into dough to make gorilla cookies. [21:51] lolol [21:51] * Min_spy giggles [21:52] *** Quits: rev_i2tb (hello@208.36.35.19) (ircN 7.0 for mIRC) im cheesing it [21:52] *** Parts: BigFish (noprofanit@216.230.134.178) is it possible to serverside nuke on icq servers [21:53] You might be a redneck if Your coffee table used to be a telephone cable spool. ...cows... i keep tryin but cant knock ne1 off shit, i'm so sleepy...i think i better go b4 i.... [21:54] oh shit, why cows? fdosijvew 34289v jt3v wjas sleep on the keyboard oops laters parannoyed [21:54] também sei teclar numa língua que tu não percebes! lol parannoyed [21:54] * Mind_Booster If you wanna hear some GREAT musik, go to my RaDiO StAtIoN... Use WinAmp, press CTRL+L, and type 213.30.9.154:8888 ... Now it's playing Ministry!!! les sanglots longs des violons de l'automene blessent mon coeur d'une langueur monotone [21:55] 6 minutes to go [21:55] * Mind_Booster is getting excited [21:55] Laughs Out Loud I'm gonna reconnect brb [21:56] *** Quits: moo (Bish@host62-7-76-243.btinternet.com) (Leaving) lots of people left I am about to guess why.... I am going to see if he is an hour late. If he isn;t here then, I am outta here why pro [21:57] Laughs Out Loud pr0gmAn [21:57] *** Joins: moo (ag@host213-1-162-145.btinternet.com) look he said it starts in 5 mins [21:57] wb moo wb moo thank you, hello hello [21:58] :) alright, everyone pay attention [21:58] whatta... raven says he needs people to log the lecture we need five people [21:58] Air Force, u're RAVEN? nope [21:58] I'm one of those 5! i've been logging this chan alright, 1 down, 4 to go! [21:58] * RedShadow has logged everything ever on IRC 3 to go ok count me in 2 1 one more! come on come on come on [21:59] air force, u're the one! [21:59] I minute to go [21:59] * Mind_Booster If you wanna hear some GREAT musik, go to my RaDiO StAtIoN... Use WinAmp, press CTRL+L, and type 213.30.9.154:8888 ... Now it's playing KoRn!!! [21:59] * Min_spy counts down now isn't this exciting alright, more loggers, just for the sake of it :-) [22:00] *** Joins: TheMysteryMan (~irc@ras3-p92.hfa.netvision.net.il) *** Clones detected in #bsrf: >>> TheMysteryMan <<< >>> Air_Farce_I <<< [22:00] * Min_spy feels the suspense soo air farce are you ready? [22:00] Laughs Out Loud [22:00] *** Clones detected in #bsrf: >>> TheMysteryMan <<< >>> Air_Farce_I <<< :-) :-) [22:01] *** TheMysteryMan is now known as Raven [22:01] YES! [22:01] *** Quits: Air_Farce_I (~irc@ras3-p92.hfa.netvision.net.il) (pl0p) [22:01] I'm the biggest, the brest [22:01] lolol Chanserv, op me! i was waiting for someone to notice... :-) Mind_Booster, you'll get rewarded for that later [22:01] I allways knew after the lecture [22:01] lolol at the second part of today's show [22:01] Raven, thanks :-) [22:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Raven [22:01] -ChanServ:#bsrf- OP command used for Raven by Raven <@Raven> -NickServ(services@services.slashnet.org)- Password accepted - you are now recognized. [22:02] *** Joins: joatz (Polaris@ip72.yorkr2.blazenet.net) [22:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Raven [22:02] -ChanServ:#bsrf- OP command used for Raven by Raven bah-ba-da-da! Hey raven! <@Raven> yup okay...yay! <@Raven> hellooooooo everybody! hey <@Raven> GOOOOOOD MORNING BSRF!! <@Raven> :-) sup! [22:02] 3 [22:02] 2 [22:02] 1 [22:02] go! <@Raven> yup, it's nightfall here in israel <@Raven> 00:00 lol good afternoon <@Raven> the countdown is over why so late? Go raven go raven!!!! eloo raven! <@Raven> alright, enough with the show <@Raven> let's get rolling Spiffy <@Raven> so, are we all ready? [22:02] *** DF-Away is now known as DigitalFallout Just to ask,what is this lecture about? [22:02] I am [22:02] * Min_spy is ready <@Raven> hmm <@Raven> lemme quote <@Raven> from the irc page Pimpin <@Raven> standard IRC services, and faking your IP in IRC, by R a v e N. Explains the basics and use of chanserv, nickserv, memoserv and some non-standard services, and explains how to fake or hide your IP in IRC. <@Raven> well that's just the first part! <@Raven> now, i know, this isn't very elite Yea that sounds rught <@Raven> hiding your ip in irc <@Raven> spoofing <@Raven> irc services <@Raven> etc' <@Raven> just wait for the second part £|_ÎT£ <@Raven> when we will reveal... <@Raven> no, i'm not supposed to tell <@Raven> mwhahaha We can keep a secret [22:03] :/ <@Raven> BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! tötå||¥ Ë|îtË <@Raven> ahem the suspense is killing me %%%%%%%% go go g0 %%%%%%%% lol damn i cant hold the excitment <@Raven> you will know when the second part begins hey nice pop up pr0gmAn :) [22:04] §Tå® THåT §HîT! 10x lets get started yes lets 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 [22:04] 1 3 [22:04] 0 2 <@Raven> owwkay, so... where shall we start? <@Raven> 17 <@Raven> 0q238957 1 <@Raven> 038948 <@Raven> 1,000,000 GO! <@Raven> i hate countdowns <@Raven> owwkay, so... where shall we start? <@Raven> irc services? [22:05] me 2 [22:05] Laughs Out Loud yep SOunds good 2 m3 [22:05] hiding IP <@Raven> or ip spoofing / hiding? Hiding then spoofing [22:05] the last one <@Raven> alright, vote Doe a deer, a female deer spoofing sounds ok [22:05] * Min_spy doesnt mind which one we start with ray a drop of golden sun [22:05] hiding sounds great 1 for spoofing <@Raven> ok, so everyone says spoofing? SHure ya yup .. spoof me <@Raven> ok Spoofin %%%%%%%% yep %%%%%%%% yerp <@Raven> then we shall start with the irc services <@Raven> :-) <@Raven> what? come on! <@Raven> :-) [22:06] no shit... {:) <@Raven> ok, so irc can be a very exciting thing ªRGH <@Raven> especially when you're on efnet <@Raven> CHAOS!! <@Raven> ANARCHY!! <@Raven> these two boys roam efnet <@Raven> why? <@Raven> noooo... [22:06] yes, Virtual Sex <@Raven> can anybody complete the sentence? [22:06] lolol <@Raven> no what? <@Raven> ohh yeah, that too <@Raven> efnet has no... fun <@Raven> lol chicks [22:06] BOTS <@Raven> it has a lot of it brain [22:07] services <@Raven> lol, efnet is actually BASED on bots <@Raven> yup, services <@Raven> I-R-C services [22:07] memoserv, chanserv, nickserv, ... <@Raven> chanserv? <@Raven> nickserv? SOMEONE LOG THIS,I GOTTA GO FOR A FEW MINUTES [22:07] *** Quits: SteeLe (Steele@ip123.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net) (Leaving) <@Raven> who ever heard of 'em? Yea who is logging it? like 4 ppl [22:07] I'm logging this, all the rest is crap i got it I'm not this time <@Raven> ùíù SignOff SteeLe: #bsrf (Leaving) <== OFF WITH HIS HEAD! lol <@Raven> so suppose i'm on chanserv Hey Raven you logging? <@Raven> and i want #bsrf <@Raven> DigitalFallout, i'm not logging <@Raven> i'm leaving this up to you [22:07] I am <@Raven> i'm leaving this up to you guys <@Raven> :-) Oh great [22:08] *** Joins: liquid-phish (richard_ta@host62-7-183-160.host.btclick.com) [22:08] I am Wanna reconsider <@Raven> quiet now! <@Raven> hush hush ... [22:08] * Min_spy is currently loggin too ;-) [22:08] liquid-phish, u're late <@Raven> imagine you're reading the logs right now i know <@Raven> and u just want to get to the good part <@Raven> :-) :) <@Raven> now everybody shut up and let me go on <@Raven> ok, so suppose i'm on efnet [22:08] *** Joins: screw (SCREW@AC8D4657.ipt.aol.com) [22:08] *** Joins: Mikkkeee (~methane@150.108.0.0) nnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooo <@Raven> and i want #bsrf [22:08] l4t3R5... <@Raven> and suppose it's not take <@Raven> and suppose it's not taken <@Raven> what do i do? <@Raven> hey screw and Mikkkeee, you're a bit late <@Raven> :-) i missed the lecture? <@Raven> it's okay, i'll brief you up i was here for 2hrs [22:09] u put a bot on the channel, so it's yourse :P <@Raven> we've started with the irc services part <@Raven> yup Mind_Booster, since efnet has no moderator services... <@Raven> u can't just "register" a channel <@Raven> u have to get it first <@Raven> be the only person in the channel <@Raven> thus get op status [22:09] 'course <@Raven> and then bring in some bots to guard the channel [22:10] *** Joins: henrybow (krautschne@N010P007.dipool.highway.telekom.at) hi all <@Raven> this is why a lot of people would read about a lot of nasty tricks that are hidden inside BSRF's irc warfare tutorial hush <@Raven> efnet can be mean <@Raven> and if you want to get a channel <@Raven> ESPECIALLY if it's security related, <@Raven> sci-fi related, <@Raven> or anything we dig star treck??? <@Raven> ;-) cheese? <@Raven> yup, #startrek gets taken over all the time ZipperGate <@Raven> lol, cheese too yay hush ppl, let him going no more ds9 :-( <@Raven> so things become harder when you're a valuable target <@Raven> because it would be "elite" to get #bsrf or #startrek or #cheese or whatever <@Raven> well not cheese <@Raven> but the other two grrr heh <@Raven> but that's efnet... I had #BSRF for a wile [22:11] Well, that's why I Have EFNET <@Raven> DigitalFallout, before it was secured <@Raven> :-) raven will anyof this work on dalnet? :) <@Raven> Mikkkeee, don't worry, we'll get to it <@Raven> so i was just saying that efnet has no irc services [22:12] :) <@Raven> BUT! <@Raven> other networks do <@Raven> most other networks dalnet does [22:12] *** Parts: screw (SCREW@AC8D4657.ipt.aol.com) [22:12] *** Joins: screw (SCREW@AC8D4657.ipt.aol.com) [22:12] *** Quits: screw (SCREW@AC8D4657.ipt.aol.com) (Leaving) <@Raven> efnet is famous of having no services <@Raven> which makes it a warground <@Raven> and a heck of a lot of fun blood shed <@Raven> dalnet, undernet... [22:12] PTnet fishnet <@Raven> all the big and small and even smaller networks have them mikkkeee: efnet is the oldest (and the 1st irc network ----- thats why this shit works there.........) <@Raven> alright, let's start with the basic and standard services lanuage <@Raven> ok, there's chanserv... [22:12] yes <@Raven> channel service indeed <@Raven> basically what it does is registering channels joatz i know <@Raven> at least that's what it used to do <@Raven> today it does that and more! [22:13] *** Joins: screw (SCREW@AC8D4657.ipt.aol.com) Extra Options!!! <@Raven> Yes, it chops, slices, dices, mices, plices and aputates! [22:13] Laughs Out Loud hmmmm :) <@Raven> Isn't that amazing? [22:13] no <@Raven> For a limited time only, you too could be the proud owners of this lovely service! a wonder chef... [22:13] * liquid-phish is confused <@Raven> now let's see what chanserv does [22:13] I want one of those! k lol k <@Raven> so, as all other services, we have to send it a private message for commands <@Raven> let's start with the basic command: <@Raven> help <@Raven> you type /msg chanserv help <@Raven> and it sends you a list of commands [22:14] Raven, one kuestion.... <@Raven> then you can do /msg chanserv help command <@Raven> for info about a specific command <@Raven> Mind_Booster, ask away [22:14] why does /chanserv works and not only /msg chanserv? <@Raven> that's on some networks, Mind <@Raven> networks that have this command [22:14] like this one <@Raven> or... with some scripts [22:15] PTNeET only works without the msg [22:15] some only works with /quote <@Raven> it depends on either the irc network or your irc script, which uses /chanserv as a short for /msg chanserv [22:15] so, whhat's de difference? <@Raven> yes, /quote chanserv <@Raven> the /quote command is used to insert raw data into the connection <@Raven> like explained in the irc warfare tutorial raven are you going to discuss spoofing? [22:15] -> Server: I know *** There is no such command as I LAter <@Raven> in the part where it explains about starting an irc session from telnet alone [22:16] ./quote I know <@Raven> later, yeah k <@Raven> ok, so basically chanserv does a lot of amazing things <@Raven> for example: <@Raven> you can associate a message with a channel <@Raven> a url [22:16] but why the /chanserv vs. /msg chanse... <@Raven> a url of the day! <@Raven> keep the topic locked <@Raven> set different access levels i see <@Raven> set auto op lists <@Raven> auto voice <@Raven> and... auto kick <@Raven> my favorite <@Raven> :-) NIfty hehe [22:17] also mine indeed lol <@Raven> you can hide a channel from the /list command like a fish almost lol <@Raven> which lists all available channels in the network <@Raven> you can restrict access to certain people duh <@Raven> or allow access to certain people INvite onyl pws? <@Raven> or lock the channel with a password <@Raven> or make it an invite-only channel, so only invited people can come in <@Raven> you can tell it to send you a notice when someone ops/deops someone else who is logging? i am [22:18] I am moo <@Raven> you can secure the ops status so even when someone has op, he cannot op others <@Raven> lock the channel modes... send me the log! later! <@Raven> and what not thas cool can some one send me the log??? Like takeover bots :) hot <@Raven> chanserv does a heck of a lot of things indeed <@Raven> alright, that was chanserv <@Raven> far more exciting that u thought, huh? <@Raven> :-) god like almost [22:18] *** Quits: screw (SCREW@AC8D4657.ipt.aol.com) (Leaving) hehe i am enlightened <@Raven> no, the gods reside in #operhelp damn me too <@Raven> when in trouble, always go to #operhelp sorry [22:19] I'll give the log in the end of the lecture if u pvt me <@Raven> irc operators are supposed to stay in there <@Raven> and help anyone in trouble pvt? pvt??? its going to be at BSRF <@Raven> pvt = private <@Raven> :-) private messge <@Raven> alright, on to nickserv thats what i thought <@Raven> nickserv is quote simple <@Raven> but not THAT simple <@Raven> nickserv = nick service Register your nick [22:20] pvt=private thnx <@Raven> yes, that's the BASIC function <@Raven> but... <@Raven> it does more Ohhhhh <@Raven> hmm, let's see... <@Raven> what happens if u want to restrict access to your nick by password? <@Raven> you use nickserv <@Raven> right <@Raven> but u can also restrict access by ip address or hostname! <@Raven> alias your nick with others is it a program? <@Raven> set kill protection... <@Raven> nickserv is an irc service <@Raven> just like chanserv kill protection? oh one question rav, do ops see who issued the /msg cammand? <@Raven> nickserv does a lot <@Raven> they can <@Raven> but they won't <@Raven> because they hate going over the logs <@Raven> :-) <@Raven> like i do <@Raven> i hate logs <@Raven> besides irc logs, maybe <@Raven> when they're funny [22:21] lolol <@Raven> but security logs? <@Raven> uh uh its better then bad, its good <@Raven> i don't like them <@Raven> i burn them <@Raven> and then i step on them <@Raven> until i get tired to damn repitive on disk??? <@Raven> and then i sit down and pee on them for a while <@Raven> :-) too messy well that was nice to know GET A MOP IN HERE! all that liquid plastic gets in my gills [22:22] * Mikkkeee says okay good to know [22:22] * liquid-phish nods [22:23] Well, that gives me time to fuck your girl 3 or 4 times [22:23] ;) please continue raven <@Raven> ohh wait, it does more... whois???? i ment whos <@Raven> whois is not a service whowas? <@Raven> it's merely an irc command it was a typo <@Raven> type /whois nick understandable i was saying whos?? <@Raven> ohh, ok who is nick? sok <@Raven> now check out the command /msg nickserv set hide! <@Raven> -NickServ(services@services.slashnet.org)- Syntax: SET HIDE {EMAIL | USERMASK | QUIT} {ON | OFF} <@Raven> -NickServ(services@services.slashnet.org)- <@Raven> -NickServ(services@services.slashnet.org)- Allows you to prevent certain pieces of information from <@Raven> -NickServ(services@services.slashnet.org)- being displayed when someone does a NickServ INFO on your <@Raven> -NickServ(services@services.slashnet.org)- nick. You can hide your E-mail address (EMAIL), last seen <@Raven> -NickServ(services@services.slashnet.org)- user@host mask (USERMASK), and last quit message (QUIT). <@Raven> -NickServ(services@services.slashnet.org)- The second parameter specifies whether the information should <@Raven> -NickServ(services@services.slashnet.org)- be displayed (OFF) or hidden (ON). ahahahahahahahahah <@Raven> now that's kewl <@Raven> :-) indeed [22:24] * DigitalFallout Shutters <@Raven> alright, that was nickserv in a nutshell [22:24] * liquid-phish nods in agreement <@Raven> ohh, wait, one more important thing <@Raven> have u ever been to irc... <@Raven> when suddenly... <@Raven> you got disconnected? <@Raven> or DoSsed maybe? of course [22:24] yap Anoying none the less <@Raven> do u know what happens? no <@Raven> well, your irc client doesn't properly disconnect [22:24] u'll tell us i had that once <@Raven> and you will only disappear from the network after a minute to five minutes, depending on the network's configurations or something simila <@Raven> when it doesn't accept ping replies from you anymore [22:25] [Raven PING reply]: 1sec [22:25] *** Joins: PiGuS (I@ppp8-2.aquanet.co.il) [22:25] thank you for pinging me Raven but can it be other errors than pings [22:25] [Mikkkeee PING reply]: 1sec haha hehe [22:25] and Mikkkkkeeee <@Raven> yeah, but the most common are improper exits <@Raven> so nickserv can help... <@Raven> because when u later return ah ha i see NIckserv To the Rescue <@Raven> the irc server thinks that you're still online with your old nick, right? yep yeah [22:26] so, there's ghost thats annoying <@Raven> and it'll wait a minute or three or five until u don't reply to it's ping request [22:26] [Raven PING reply]: 2secs <@Raven> and it'll wait a minute or three or five until u don't reply to it's ping requests <@Raven> and only then cut you off it gets ping time out [22:26] [liquid-phish PING reply]: 1sec <@Raven> that's quite annoying... and kills its self PIng/Pong I wanna play a game now... <@Raven> having to wait all this time to retrieve your nick [22:27] [DigitalFallout PING reply]: 266829hrs 15mins 56secs <@Raven> how about... the ghost user function? raven why does it take a while when loading into a channel like status will be slow sometimes, is it user security? [22:27] [DigitalFallout PING reply]: 266829hrs 15mins 56secs [22:27] Laughs Out Loud <@Raven> a ghost user is such a user <@Raven> using /msg nickserv ghost you can kill the ghost user hehe :) Yea my line has been running a bit slow <@Raven> and regain your nick <@Raven> :-) kewl <@Raven> alright, that's nickserv in a nutshell can you just boot the ghost? <@Raven> there's more, of course what is a ghost user? <@Raven> type /msg nickserv help KILL ALL GHOSTS <@Raven> same with chanserv [22:27] Raven, how can I do to hude my IP? typo <@Raven> mind, wait <@Raven> that's the second part [22:28] Raven, how can I do to hide my IP? [22:28] ok, ok <@Raven> ok, chanserv and nickserv, the two basic services <@Raven> now, some networks also have... memoserv indeed <@Raven> what a useful service! cloak is an option <@Raven> you can leave memos to people! [22:28] *** Joins: blu3h4z3 (simplexx@ACA3276B.ipt.aol.com) kewl <@Raven> so when they log on next to the network YOu have maiL! type /mode +z <@Raven> they can read your memos <@Raven> Mikkkeee, that's one of the methods <@Raven> we'll get to that later <@Raven> just hold still damn it only is supported on some servers <@Raven> basically that's what it does [22:29] memoserv rox <@Raven> but the recipient has to be registered with nickserv <@Raven> so others can't read his memos ah ha That would be nice <@Raven> so using memoserv you can... <@Raven> send memos <@Raven> read your memos <@Raven> and delete them! <@Raven> wow!! <@Raven> :-) eat memos? [22:29] c00L <@Raven> eat them too FLASHBACK TO THE BBS DAYS [22:29] lolol burn memoz if you like eating bytes <@Raven> ohh, and you can have a maximum number of memos <@Raven> so people can't flood you with memos or watch startrek with them lol digital <@Raven> that feature was added later... <@Raven> due to... <@Raven> ahem... hehe [22:30] flood [22:30] *** Quits: pr0gmAn (WangScript@RAS3-p61.rlz.netvision.net.il) (Connection reset by peer) lol <@Raven> abuse <@Raven> :-) NUde Nide wink wink i hate abuse <@Raven> right, these are the three basic services fserve? <@Raven> you'll see these three on almost every major and minor network damn hackers. Always taking down the internet [22:30] fserve is not a service err my bad its script <@Raven> but... <@Raven> there are more [22:31] * Mikkkeee i agree with digital, :) <@Raven> some networks have original services <@Raven> for example... <@Raven> an irc network in israel was planning... to? <@Raven> well i think it's ready by now, i didn't bother checking <@Raven> but anyway they had a service called... <@Raven> botserv!! kewl <@Raven> basically it let's you create your own bot .. oooooo Pimpin hmmmm <@Raven> no need to know a single eggdrop command evil bots? [22:32] I saw onde server whoere ther was only services ? <@Raven> just configure your baby to do... well mostly everything happy bots [22:32] like /servervices nick register... .. <@Raven> you can't use it to take over channels "Love" Bots <@Raven> obviously the service won't let you create such bots [22:32] like /services channel register... sex bots ;) reality.bunker7.net was lettin opers send/receive icq msgs through their server .. SEND ME THE LOG PLEASE, I HAVE TO GO! startrek bots <@Raven> alright everyone, take three minutes off k henry thanks SEND IT TO HENRY_BOWERS@Hotmail.com <@Raven> i'll be back in exactly three minutes thnx .. alrighty <@Raven> for the ip spoofing / hiding part [22:32] ok .. .. .. cu Time to get a soda cya <@Raven> starting... <@Raven> NOW why are lecture GMT time??? MOVE MOVE MOVE!!!!! time to get some sleep and cause havox on dalnet lol :) [22:33] *** Quits: henrybow (krautschne@cloaked.dipool.highway.telekom.at) (The moment it borns it begins to die) hehe HALFTIME SHOW!!!! ummmn. someone like send me the log who will do that? ???? it is easy for everyone to convert the time to gmt guys the log will be posted on bsrf tomorrow or today email it to blu3h4z3@antisocial.com As nude russions fill the room Metallica takes the stage no need to worry [22:34] *** Parts: blu3h4z3 (simplexx@cloaked.ipt.aol.com) DIE DIE DIE MY DARLING!!!!!! lol digital hurrah [22:34] mp3 rullezzzz OPening for metallica, Britney Spears [22:34] * liquid-phish sucks an egg quitly to himself <@Raven> ooh metallica, YEAH!! can i have a suck? NO its a shame they want to destroy napster who got a soda? THERE MY EGGS Anyone goint to the sanatariam tour? i want a soda not even one suck? SAVE NAPSTER damn plz NO......THERE MY FISH EGGS arent fish eggs too small to suck? im a big fish Caveair lol <@Raven> "Experience is not counted in years, <@Raven> it is counted in efforts." but...? will these converstations be edited ? <@Raven> R a v e N, 1999 <@Raven> :-) A VERY BIG FISH <0(((((((((((((((((((((((>< lets hope not i don't think anyone wants to hear this U wanna fiSH? hes back hehe :) tuogh they'll have to <@Raven> alright, we're off again [22:36] * Mikkkeee asks are there any females here? RAVEN you were only 2:56 <@Raven> hmm, so after we've gone through the all-around basic meet-and-greet irc services tour... a whole 4 secs off. tsk tsk tIME TO GET DOWN AND DIRTY people today <@Raven> we're off to the second part of the first part (ooh, the complexity is dazzling) of today's show [22:37] * liquid-phish head hurts im confused :) <@Raven> Jobber-d, how dare you insult my Swatch Irony (c)(tm) watch?! <@Raven> lol hehe [22:37] * Mikkkeee asks lets begin <@Raven> 4 secs? blame that on lag <@Raven> :-) Swatch Rocks <@Raven> alright <@Raven> so as i was saying... k <@Raven> irc is a dangerous place <@Raven> even with chanserv and his fellows yah <@Raven> irc could be VERY mean i like the ones you program with ski passes Mostly liek ppl like us <@Raven> the worst part is the DoS attacks [22:38] oh shit hehe [22:38] i'm loosing this i hate DoS damn those disk operatin systems <@Raven> hmm let's make it interactive, could anyone tell me what DoS attacks are? <@Raven> for our fellow newbie readers <@Raven> :-) hrehe denial of service denile of service DENIAL OF SERVICE! <@Raven> Jobber-d, lol denials denial of service bad <@Raven> DoS = Denial of Service lame shit they flood you with packets <@Raven> Dental Service ok so we all know hehe lol <@Raven> Jobber-d, not necessarily oh? destruction of salad <@Raven> ladies and gentlemen... denial of ser... <@Raven> may i present: <@Raven> blacksun.box.sk/dos.txt opps to late hehe liquid i hate salad some times of dos are lame while some can be very effective! <@Raven> 1417 lines about common DoS attacks very <@Raven> anyway <@Raven> dos attacks can get very annoying <@Raven> and are often very easy to carry out duh <@Raven> they're used usually by script kiddies with exploits Speak the word brother! HENCE THE AGE OF THE SCRIPT KIDDIE <@Raven> sometimes they will make your computer crash hehe amen! <@Raven> forcing you to restart <@Raven> sometimes they will just make it hang Not me! I;m special ping of death [22:40] [liquid-phish PING reply]: 2secs <@Raven> forcing you to... <@Raven> well, restart hehe <@Raven> btw did you know that viruses are considered to be DoS attacks? <@Raven> really by who? <@Raven> by definition why? <@Raven> AND by most modern security writers i never knew that not all! so is a power cut <@Raven> because they deny service you mean worms yer norton even detects click now ;-) Learn sompthin new every day <@Raven> you see, if a server or even your own computer get infected yup :) it depends <@Raven> you are denied service from your computer or that server or whatever its all relitive OIC well now it makes sense :) <@Raven> yup <@Raven> so anyway <@Raven> suppose you insult someone <@Raven> and he decides to DoS you in return <@Raven> :-) <@Raven> how elite... click are you sure? [22:41] bot it sucks U kick his ass yep <@Raven> so suppose you get DoSsed, that would be very annoying <@Raven> now, a good firewall can stop most DoS attacks... <@Raven> but what about... So you call his mom and ground him from the comp <@Raven> bandwidth-based attacks? serverside <@Raven> the most obvious one: ping flood <@Raven> getting flooded with pings [22:42] gimme a good firewall [22:42] [Raven PING reply]: 1sec <@Raven> if the offender has a larger bandwidth, you're down ZoneAlarm <@Raven> DigitalFallout, ZoneAlarm sucks <@Raven> :-) i got adsl hehehhe Oh I'm hurt was that sarcasm raveN/ <@Raven> liquid-phish here is a mean flooding machine i have the bandwidth of a small eaten european country <@Raven> Jobber-d, no, ZoneAlarm just sucks <@Raven> :-) raven some ping floods can be stopped at the border router [22:43] [Mikkkeee PING reply]: 3secs <@Raven> liquid-phish, lol lol alright ill remember that [22:43] Raven, stop Ping Flooding me! Plain and simple <@Raven> Mikkkeee, that's true [22:43] :þ <@Raven> but go tell your isp to do that <@Raven> Mind_Booster, nice try [22:43] and mikkkeee too <@Raven> lol <@Raven> so anyway... <@Raven> if you get ping flooded [22:43] [Raven PING reply]: 3secs <@Raven> all that your firewall can do for you... <@Raven> is to hold the backfire ..... [22:44] [Raven PING reply]: 3secs [22:44] raven, that's good? or bad? someone DoSed raven! :) not me....honest sure ;) no really im on windoze i know im j/k so no unix or adsl at the mo which sucks and blows at the same time ? painfull hehe i can imaging wheres raven? [22:46] * liquid-phish has a mental image of sucking and blowing who dosed raven? or is he making tea lol probly tea or sucking eggs like me and why is noone else talking? [22:47] * liquid-phish continues sucking his egg <@Raven> which means: but if you have a shitty isp with fat assholes who eat donuts everyday your in trouble,heheheh <@Raven> your computers will not respond to the pings <@Raven> thus eliminating half of the damage <@Raven> it also might save SOME (ahem) OSs from crashing Oh %50 damage.... <@Raven> win95 crashes... sometimes <@Raven> win98 crashes after a minute of ping flooding (startrek feferance) win95 alwayz i gotta go. is the log going to be posted on the website? or do i need somebody 2 send me 1? <@Raven> now, some attacks are devastating <@Raven> smurf for example <@Raven> or papasmurf I RUN 3.1 BABBY on the site IGMP <@Raven> let's not get into this, it's all explained in the DoS tutorial igmp can be filtered <@Raven> so anyway, that was one good reason for why you should hide or spoof your IP <@Raven> Mikkkeee, again, go tell your ISP to do that <@Raven> now, here's another good reason to spoof your IP: [22:47] *** Joins: N (fred27@dyn174-ras8.screaming.net) *** Clones detected in #bsrf: >>> N <<< >>> Min_spy <<< <@Raven> suppose you get banned... Now for the million dolar question... HOW DO YOU DO IT! i did it my self hehehe <@Raven> banning can be set according to nick, ident or ip / hostname <@Raven> or ip range / hostname range <@Raven> for example: everyone coming from your ISP <@Raven> now, nick can be easily spoofed <@Raven> and so is ident Hey min, ditch the clone <@Raven> but what about your ip / hostname? <@Raven> that's another reason <@Raven> there are many reasons <@Raven> now let's just get to doing things yer i disconnected min isnt there [22:47] * Mikkkeee says guys this is valuable let rav speak! <@Raven> alright, so in MOST networks, you can type this command must be what raven was talking about in the first bit <@Raven> type: /mode Raven +z [22:47] *** Quits: Min_spy (n@dyn174-ras8.screaming.net) (Ping timeout) <@Raven> or +x <@Raven> depends on the network <@Raven> and of course substitute raven with your nick [22:47] *** Quits: N (fred27@dyn174-ras8.screaming.net) ( MafiaScript Version 6.0 Gold Edition Get it at.. Http://www.henterprises.com/sh/ ) [22:47] waiting... <@Raven> this will hide your ip and hostname, so when someone does /whois yournick, he won't get your ip / hostname <@Raven> but... if you're banned by ip / hostname, this won't help <@Raven> because the irc server still knows your ip / hostname [22:47] *** Joins: Min_spy (fred27@dyn174-ras8.screaming.net) <@Raven> hmm just checking, did i just lag out? [22:47] * Min_spy back ;-) shit, gotta go....when it's the best part <@Raven> alright, i didn't bye YES i lagged out [22:48] *** Quits: parannoyed (tHOnG@202.188.0.0) (bye) Cya <@Raven> good bgye <@Raven> okay, so +z and +x don't help against bans doh not duh <@Raven> now, here are some other ways to spoof your ip: <@Raven> 1. <@Raven> bnc i was being polie t k Raven speak [22:49] *** Quits: joatz (Polaris@ip72.yorkr2.blazenet.net) ((I was using Polaris IRC) Version:(2.04) Webpage:(http://members.xoom.com/Polaris_IRC/) Wasted:(47 Minutes and 21 Seconds Online)) hehe <@Raven> sorry, i was away for a sec where is everyone? sok umm..... I;m here here <@Raven> ok, i'm back <@Raven> 1. bnc which is? <@Raven> anyone here knows what bnc is? bouncing no <@Raven> bnc stands for bouncer no k <@Raven> basically it's a program <@Raven> you run it on some computer <@Raven> usually a shell account <@Raven> but it has to be paid or hacked i knew that....no really [22:50] Raven,, when servers has no +x nor +z, what to do? <@Raven> no free shell accounts <@Raven> Mind_Booster, pray <@Raven> or try one of the other methods <@Raven> so anyway, you run a bnc on some network they allow you to cloak your ip indeed <@Raven> then, you connect to it from your irc client <@Raven> just like you connect to a regular network <@Raven> by typing: /server your-bnc's-address [22:51] [Raven PING reply]: 1sec raven i have seen a ton of host/ip spoofers do they work? is it like a proxy then? yah <@Raven> Mikkkeee, they're probably phony <@Raven> Min_spy, sorta probaly trogens j i seen some at theargon.com k nah <@Raven> Mikkkeee, maybe you're confusing them with ident spoofers [22:52] raven, bnc is the same as using a proxy or a WinGate? <@Raven> read about ident in the irc warfare tutorial if not, what is different? [22:52] * Mikkkeee say i think so <@Raven> Mind_Booster, sorta <@Raven> lemme get to it <@Raven> so when you connect to a bnc [22:52] ok <@Raven> you can make it bounce your connection <@Raven> what does it mean? <@Raven> you tell it to connect to some irc server ??? <@Raven> go to a channel... ?? ? <@Raven> send this... <@Raven> do that... <@Raven> and it does everything for you liquid its just hot <@Raven> thus making it appear as if your ip is the ip of the box that runs the bnc [22:53] no DCC's ? raven some servers kick ppl with such tools ? <@Raven> hmm some... <@Raven> some servers will check to see if your ip accepts connections on common bnc ports <@Raven> BUT!! [22:53] *** liquid-phish is now known as crash-and-burn anyways to bypass it <@Raven> if you configure your bnc to accept a connection from you a different port <@Raven> then you don't get sighted <@Raven> you see, when you connect to an irc server port scan? <@Raven> the server doesn't know if this is your ip Like 6667? <@Raven> or a bnc's ip [22:54] raven, so... what's the difference from this and a proxy? <@Raven> so he tries to telnet into this ip on common bnc ports to see if there's a bnc there [22:54] * crash-and-burn has lost his eg [22:54] * crash-and-burn g <@Raven> if the server finds it, you're cut off <@Raven> but you can change this port into a non-standard port <@Raven> fun!! it cant find you <@Raven> fun for the whole family he he <@Raven> now, those were bncs <@Raven> now we go for wingates raven irc servers allow only specific ports it might work on 7000 i thk <@Raven> wingate is a cute little program ......cute....... aahh <@Raven> anyone knows what it's SUPPOSED to do? its a remote proxy [22:55] lolol More than 1 comp use 1 internet account <@Raven> okay, so suppose you have three computers at home [22:55] * crash-and-burn is worried about ravens mental state yep proxy to hide ip [22:56] wingate's are really funny it links to boxes together <@Raven> they're all connected via a local area network i have five <@Raven> they're all connected via a local area network and are garbage [22:56] * Jobber-d is feeling very smart :) <@Raven> be quiet for a sec, i'm trying to explain lol <@Raven> okay, so suppose you have three computers at home <@Raven> they're all connected via a local area network five <@Raven> but only one of them is connected to the net <@Raven> and you want the others to share it's connection you use a wingate <@Raven> but only one of them has a valid IP <@Raven> so this computer runs the wingate program <@Raven> or a similar program you route them all though the wingate <@Raven> wingate is the most popular one <@Raven> and it let's the others share the connection and buggy for unix? <@Raven> just as if it was a proxy server winblows <@Raven> crash-and-burn, there are things like that for unix too <@Raven> but they're less buggy of course i know i have a lan but i dont use wingate thingys [22:57] raven, so, for IRC warfare purposes, they are all the same? <@Raven> because software makers for windows are often... Talk about stating the obvious <@Raven> how should i say this... <@Raven> less talented Drunk/High on beeing over paied raven plz don't waste your time with mircoshit <@Raven> Mind_Booster, i'll get to that <@Raven> Mikkkeee, lol <@Raven> ok, so this is what wingates are supposed to do <@Raven> now, what if your wingate is... MISCONFIGURED? its a router...kinda OH MY GOD THAT NEVER HAPPENS! <@Raven> 80% of all break-ins are caused by misconfigurations anyone can access it or you have a dumb admin hehe does to me j/k <@Raven> what if your wingate doesn't accept connections only from the LAN is that a fact raven? <@Raven> but from other hosts on the internet as well? <@Raven> Jobber-d, yes, that's true cool i use my schools wingate he he lol <@Raven> i'm talking about server break-ins, not PCs getting hacked by trojans i dont like trojens <@Raven> so if you find a wingate that accepts connection from the outside as well hey Raven am I less talented too ? lol <@Raven> you can use it! <@Raven> simple! :) using them is lazy <@Raven> telnet to it's ip and into port 23 [22:59] * Mikkkeee none of that lame shit guys <@Raven> you will usually be greeted with a message is it illegal? <@Raven> sometimes a password <@Raven> which can be brute-forced <@Raven> Jobber-d, no, of course it's illegal <@Raven> :-) but thats illegal.... yah illegal hehe [22:59] * crash-and-burn is shocked <@Raven> i know so what <@Raven> so are bncs [23:00] * Mikkkeee laughs at crash <@Raven> you're not supposed to do those things thats odd. oh well Who would have gussed its hadly murder <@Raven> :-) <@Raven> so anyway, once you're in <@Raven> and connected to a wingate <@Raven> you type this into your telnet program: <@Raven> ip port <@Raven> for example: <@Raven> www.microsoft.com 80 <@Raven> ip / hostname <@Raven> and it'll connect to it for you he he <@Raven> the same goes for misconfigured SOCKS 4 or 5 proxies, only they're on port 1080 <@Raven> you can find wingates by... How many connections loked togeather do you recomend? <@Raven> well, either using your school's wingate 69 scanning <@Raven> or using a scanner <@Raven> that scans whole subnets for wingates or lists how can you find your schools wingate? <@Raven> or lists like in cyberarmy.com/lists find the ip of you school network duh maybe your skewl don't use a wingate? <@Raven> same for misconfigured socks 4 or 5 firewalls and connect to it? or proxys4all.cgi.net Hey Raven. How many wingates/proxies shuld you like togeather? [23:02] Raven, there's a problem in that thing... When I use a proxy / wingate, I just can't dcc! [23:02] *** Quits: MindRift (Blah@ip136.indianapolis7.in.pub-ip.psi.net) (Ping timeout) <@Raven> btw wingates are often found in @Home networks and asian networks ;-) my school net work is on 24 7 because the govenors telnet into it he he <@Raven> the security in @Home (a cable internet provider) and asian networks is approaching zero [23:02] * Mikkkeee says scan third world nations tons of wingates <@Raven> that too <@Raven> third world nations <@Raven> and arabic countries Camaroon is a good one crash supply the ip of that box plz shouldnt they be more worried about food rather then the internet? <@Raven> around the middle east <@Raven> heh, my neighbors [23:03] Raven, there's a problem in that thing... When I use a proxy / wingate, I just can't dcc! <@Raven> i live in israel <@Raven> :-) <@Raven> Mind_Booster, that's a drawback african nations too <@Raven> i'll tell you why <@Raven> DCC <@Raven> what is DCC? [23:03] * crash-and-burn feels it is his duty to remind every one that japan has the worst internet security in the world [23:03] direct <@Raven> DCC stands for Direct Client Connection direct connection g* [23:03] needs the IP oh yeah u cant connect cos it isnt ur ip yes <@Raven> now, when you start a dcc connection with someone... it doesnt go through the irc server <@Raven> either a dcc chat or a dcc file transfer <@Raven> the server gives both ends the IP of the other <@Raven> and they connect into a certain port <@Raven> each irc client also has a DCC daemon raven sometimes i can't send dcc but i can accept how is that ? ?? <@Raven> Mikkkeee, think by yourself ??? <@Raven> common logic explain plz <@Raven> nevermind that now <@Raven> i will explain to you later if u want to only on my school isp it happens i think they filter stuff <@Raven> ohh, only in your school's isp? <@Raven> hmm could be yup <@Raven> nevermind that now i bypassed it once my school has a amazingly secure network <@Raven> so anyway, to use wingates and misconfigured socks 4 or 5 firewalls... and they locked me up <@Raven> you start your irc client [23:05] Raven, so, there's no way of getting DCC's when connected with proxy's? <@Raven> and tell it that you're connecting through a firewall they are beta testing the software for a reseach company <@Raven> give it the wingate's or the firewall's ip or hostname <@Raven> Mind_Booster, i'm afraid not its soild <@Raven> give it the wingate's or the firewall's ip or hostname i goto go <@Raven> if they're not password-protected, leave the username and password fields empty <@Raven> and then just connect <@Raven> your connection will be slower, though whos mailing me the log again? its posted on bsrf <@Raven> btw wingates and misconfigured firewalls can be used for other things as well cool <@Raven> not just irc [23:07] much slower! itl be on the bsrf site soo crash-and-burn <@Raven> but that's off-topic bye guys cya cya bye [23:07] *** Parts: crash-and-burn (richard_ta@host62-7-183-160.host.btclick.com) bye crash-and-burn <@Raven> but, why is your connection slower when you are detouring through a proxy? <@Raven> simple <@Raven> because your packets take more routes on the way min he didn't see that <@Raven> they go through more routers <@Raven> first to your wingate <@Raven> and then to your irc server i know Mikkkeee ;-) but it depends on the proxy <@Raven> right it can be a fast one sometimes itll slow down a certain amount no matter what <@Raven> but usually there would be a significat difference between a direct connection and a detour hehe a little joke <@Raven> now, those were the basic ways of hiding and spoofing your ip in irc <@Raven> that ends the first part of today's show <@Raven> and NOW!! dont some scripts ahve a spoofer Raven <@Raven> the second part... <@Raven> begins!! [23:08] and the not-so-basic ones? OMG! <@Raven> after a short break... <@Raven> lol [23:08] * Jobber-d is so excited yay <@Raven> :-) NO! <@Raven> take ten minutes, everyone METALLICA RETAKES THE STAGE!!!! damn i was all hypoed up! :) [23:08] 15 please [23:09] Laughs Out Loud <@Raven> go take a whizz lol <@Raven> grab a drink <@Raven> alright, 15 minutes [23:09] *** Quits: PiGuS (I@ppp8-2.aquanet.co.il) (Leaving) underage :( Gam to metallica Jam <@Raven> 15 minutes everyone... raven whats next brb [23:09] Anybody has a cigar to me? [23:09] *** Quits: Min_spy (fred27@dyn174-ras8.screaming.net) ( MafiaScript Version 6.0 Gold Edition Get it at.. Http://www.henterprises.com/sh/ ) wiggle your toes i got to go <@Raven> Mikkkeee, it's a surprise... <@Raven> alright, i'm off, be back laaaaaaaaater <@Raven> :-) [23:09] *** Quits: Raven (~irc@cloaked.hfa.netvision.net.il) (pl0p) adios [23:09] * DigitalFallout hands mind a cegar damn digital hand me a cigar! mmm... cegars BRB going to take a piss and gram a snack! [23:10] *** DigitalFallout is now known as DF-EATING what is more illegal, a 30 year old smoking pot, or a 15 year old smoking cigarretes [23:10] * Mind_Booster If you wanna hear some GREAT musik, go to my RaDiO StAtIoN... Use WinAmp, press CTRL+L, and type 213.30.9.154:8888 ... Now it's playing KORN!!! [23:11] thanks digial [23:11] thanks digital nah its a review [23:11] what mark? huh? digital wheres my cigar i need a smoke how about some canja[ heheh what do you think the second topic will be? it better be something new [23:12] dunno this stuff i know by heart i think its how to find porn faster i want to learn some new shit perhaps cheese? perhaps i will do a tut for that search engines torn apart and will be good hehe [23:12] * Mikkkeee very good eheh wht time is it for you? [23:13] *** Joins: Min_spy (fred27@dyn101-ras47.screaming.net) [23:13] * Min_spy is back [23:13] * DF-EATING hands mikkkeee a cigar thx [23:13] * Jobber-d smokes clintons cigar Got milk? I DO! HEY YOU DON;T KNOW WHERE THATS BEEN. Well actuall you do [23:13] * Mikkkeee is flips a lighter and lights the big cigar [23:13] * Mind_Booster wants a Golden American cig... [23:14] * Mikkkeee is smoking [23:14] FOR REAL! Enjoy my friend, it is a cuban [23:14] * Mikkkeee is enjoying the cigar [23:14] *** DF-EATING is now known as DF-GOT^MILK lol so does ne1 know how to use click to serverside nuke on icq [23:14] *** Joins: Raven (irc@ras3-p144.hfa.netvision.net.il) [23:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Raven <@Raven> hey, i'm back [23:14] yes Join the party wb [23:14] right on time wb Raven <@Raven> don't get too excited, we'll only begin the second part in ten minutes damn, then I need more apple juice Well we are all still here. Why not start now <@Raven> uhm... so who was the guy who first found out about the clones thing? Me I think [23:15] *** DF-GOT^MILK is now known as DigitalFallout <@Raven> ohh <@Raven> ok [23:15] I WAS [23:15] I WAS <@Raven> ohh ok mind [23:15] I WAS [23:15] :) <@Raven> i told u you'll be rewarded... <@Raven> :-) <@Raven> Mind_Booster gets... WHoa [23:15] Laughs Out Loud CHiLL cheese? [23:15] a DoS attACK? <@Raven> his own personal copy of... Raven start the second part plz PORNO! Time for a hamburer <@Raven> no [23:16] a cigar? <@Raven> he gets his own personal copy of... That was going out to moo TELL US! <@Raven> will you guys just shut up?! <@Raven> :-) [23:16] *drums* <@Raven> of B00tm0n 2.0!! [23:16] Laughs Out Loud <@Raven> finally we got rid of the bugs [23:16] YYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS Sweet <@Raven> most of them, there are still two or three left hurrah! i think finally <@Raven> :-) [23:16] (what's that?) <@Raven> you'll get to be the first non-bsrf member who gets to beta-test it <@Raven> lol raven: what is it? [23:17] thanks man I might eventually try to join the #bsrf <@Raven> sending... [23:17] * RedShadow gets to write it (even better) :) [23:17] u'rea god <@Raven> right, RedShadow did b00tm0n 2.0 <@Raven> :-) [23:17] i hope there's no backdoors in it <@Raven> btw i have to talk to u later, there are some modifications i want u to make [23:17] * Mikkkeee says hail red a.righty <@Raven> well actually we could talk now Yea Red made BOK2 built in so he can hack the planet Raven : it's nowhere near finished <@Raven> ok, so first of all, why do people have to click view and then refresh to get the list? <@Raven> why can't it just load automatically? newbie question: wb stands for welcome back, right? [23:18] raven, whayt the hell is this for? Yep <@Raven> right [23:18] raven, whayt the hell is this for? thanks <@Raven> Mind_Booster, huh? yep Jobber-d Raven : it does now, that was a test to see if I'd fixed the icon bit man guys iam out <@Raven> RedShadow, answer my Q [23:18] this nice proggie guys start plz <@Raven> RedShadow, ok <@Raven> one more modification <@Raven> in the about box... <@Raven> i tried clicking the click me text and it... <@Raven> well, didn't perform correctly yeah I know raven plz start <@Raven> can't open http://blacksun.box.sk patience <@Raven> alright, u'll have to fix it later it did exactly what I wanted it to do <@Raven> Mikkkeee, i will <@Raven> in 5 minutes <@Raven> :-) k I was just testing the double clik code [23:19] *** Joins: PiGuS (I@ppp8-2.aquanet.co.il) <@Raven> hey pigus :Pd: hi <@Raven> 5 minutes till the second part [23:19] * Mikkkeee says my mom wants to use the phone, i have one lines <@Raven> alright, i guess u could start throwing guesses at what this will be about i feel your pain Hey quick question.Does anymone know what port seiti@home opens? [23:19] * RedShadow says tell ur mum to be less than 5 mins :) <@Raven> Mikkkeee, it'll be long anyway thx jabber ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhhhhhh <@Raven> let her use it now np :) i hav a 33.6 how to code in c/c++ ?? lol <@Raven> and ask her to finish quickly <@Raven> so u could be back in time <@Raven> :-) [23:20] * Mikkkeee red that was funny hehe is it advanced stuff with irc? I hoping for cheese, raven [23:20] [moo PING reply]: 1sec [23:20] Raven, pleaase answer to the pvt <@Raven> Jobber-d, nope does it have anything to do with irc? The suspence is killing me <@Raven> nope does it have anything to do with advanced? <@Raven> DigitalFallout, it's spelled suspense <@Raven> :-) [23:21] * Mikkkeee mikkkeee has the best question yea that to <@Raven> lol hehe [23:21] * Mikkkeee is it possible to see private chat with super user status <@Raven> Mikkkeee, no So raven what did you do to the chan to keep ppl like me from taking it over agian? <@Raven> that's why it's called private <@Raven> ohh, only if you're an irc operator J/K about the ppl like me part i knew it <@Raven> not just an op, i'm talking about an operator for the entire network can u use pc to get ips? <@Raven> DigitalFallout, i used chanserv im not following you <@Raven> chanserv is very resourceful some asshole told me to stop saying shit in my priv <@Raven> and i configured it right to disallow any possible intrusion <@Raven> i hope... we all hope We can try agian later if you like :) [23:22] * Mikkkeee lets hope again not agian :) I returned controll in a timley manor [23:23] * Mind_Booster If you wanna hear some GREAT musik, go to my RaDiO StAtIoN... Use WinAmp, press CTRL+L, and type 213.30.9.154:8888 ... Now it's playing Marilyn Manson!!! so what is the second part about? how to hack hotmale accounts,heheheheh so u ne good at resolving ip on a spoofed server DigitalFallout lol done already :) Checkin this radio station [23:24] * Jobber-d is twiddling his thumbs Raven 5 min are up bud [23:24] * Mikkkeee is waiting Make love nor peace [23:24] * Mikkkeee is waiting make love not peace doesnt love=peace? yo digital hows that station ? Not bad. I am not getting to much lag nah love = shag Jobber-d ;-) [23:25] digital, u're in my radiostation? hehe Jobber, I don't think you got the joke YEp I am tuned in [23:25] want some music? [23:25] I'll play it for you... is it any good [23:26] if you don't want Marilyn Manson ? Shure, metallica [23:26] sure [23:26] * Mikkkeee is waiting [23:26] * Mikkkeee is waiting [23:26] on it's way gotcha <@Raven> okay, we're back! Pimpin finally hurrah :) <@Raven> :-) OO GOODY ;-) <@Raven> let the second part begin! k <@Raven> alright, so the second part is a game <@Raven> not just a game amd tje mistory subject is? <@Raven> a WARgame! <@Raven> pheer [23:27] Metallica is playing <@Raven> :-) bloody script ;-) <@Raven> hitman.hits.net.au <@Raven> port 23 <@Raven> username: inferior <@Raven> password: inferior <@Raven> find out what you have to do <@Raven> GO! Do we need to bouce ir is it a REAL wargame? mike is on his way <@Raven> no questions... <@Raven> u figure this out [23:28] i'ts so slow! K then [23:28] *** Joins: RedShadow_ (RedShadow@host213-1-203-95.btinternet.com) [23:28] *** Quits: RedShadow (~RedShadow@cloaked.btinternet.com) (Ping timeout) [23:28] i'm in [23:28] *** RedShadow_ is now known as RedShadow [23:28] passwd, right? [23:28] Laughs Out Loud [23:29] *** Joins: Mr (~irc@ras3-p144.hfa.netvision.net.il) *** Clones detected in #bsrf: >>> Mr <<< >>> Raven <<< can we give help? [23:29] *** Mr is now known as Mr_Hint [23:29] Clones detected in #bsrf: >>> Mr <<< >>> Raven <<< hello i'm mister hint :-) lol yeah, yeah, i know, shut up :-) shit I just deleted my registry key's by accident while testing the delete function lol [23:29] *** Raven sets mode: +o Mr_Hint hehe <@Mr_Hint> i'm here to help you [23:29] clones? <@Mr_Hint> i will supply you with hints <@Mr_Hint> once in a while can we give hints as well? i know something I'm off c ya <@Mr_Hint> alright, the first one who figures out what he needs to do get's a bonus hint before everyone else <@Mr_Hint> Jobber-d, you can, but you're not supposed to <@Mr_Hint> you're supposed to be the first one to win [23:30] read instructions oh ok [23:30] *** Quits: RedShadow (RedShadow@host213-1-203-95.btinternet.com) (Leaving) <@Mr_Hint> the first one who finds out what he needs to do wins a bonus hint one minute before everyone else gets it Umm root it? <@Mr_Hint> no, read the instructions... it was a shotr in the dark why did they kick me out <@Mr_Hint> read, quickly, or someone else will get there before you <@Mr_Hint> :-) <@Mr_Hint> Mikkkeee, they did what? nothing <@Mr_Hint> alright, now i see that you're reading the instructions file <@Mr_Hint> so who's the first one who can find the objective of this game? [23:32] get sduperior passwd <@Mr_Hint> yup, get the superior password <@Mr_Hint> for the user superior <@Mr_Hint> he has a file in his home directory <@Mr_Hint> which contains the password <@Mr_Hint> Mind_Booster, you win the first hint! <@Mr_Hint> mind will now get the first hint one minute before everyone else [23:32] * Mikkkeee says my mom is really gettin to me i'll be back cya damn [23:33] *** Quits: Mikkkeee (~methane@150.108.0.0) (Leaving) <@Mr_Hint> :-/ <@Mr_Hint> ohh well, he'll be back later <@Mr_Hint> :-) <@Mr_Hint> half a minute before the first public hint <@Mr_Hint> your first hint is: suid <@Mr_Hint> ooh, so exciting <@Mr_Hint> everyone is away from their irc client and frustrating <@Mr_Hint> busy with their telnet app <@Mr_Hint> :-) <@Mr_Hint> suid, come on, people! <@Mr_Hint> see what you can work with <@Mr_Hint> first, ask yourself: <@Mr_Hint> where am i? you get that when you type dir <@Mr_Hint> and what's around me? <@Mr_Hint> what can i play with? <@Mr_Hint> what should i play with? [23:35] admin <@Mr_Hint> three minutes until the second hint <@Mr_Hint> Mind_Booster, lol <@Mr_Hint> in the meantime, here's a directive: it would help if we knew how to use a shell account, wouldnt it? <@Mr_Hint> you need to get the file that contains the password, right? <@Mr_Hint> Jobber-d, it sure would dang :) <@Mr_Hint> so where does it say that the file is kept? <@Mr_Hint> in superior's home directory, right? <@Mr_Hint> now where is it? <@Mr_Hint> it's not /home/superior... suid <@Mr_Hint> see where u can find superior's home directory <@Mr_Hint> i'm making this too easy <@Mr_Hint> :-) [23:37] Laughs Out Loud *** There is no such command as b <@Mr_Hint> alright, see if there are any public files or any environment variables that can tell you that Ok sorry but Igotta run,. Talk to you later raven! [23:37] its b directory [23:37] like mine is a directiory CYA everybody <@Mr_Hint> alright, mind got it first <@Mr_Hint> cya DigitalFallout bye [23:37] *** Quits: DigitalFallout (umm@208.143.138.110) (-=º<×>[ °Wang Script° ]<×>º=- at http://come.to/wangscript) [23:37] i knew it a long time ago <@Mr_Hint> alright, second hint! <@Mr_Hint> the second hint is... <@Mr_Hint> system call <@Mr_Hint> who knows what a system call is? <@Mr_Hint> it has something to do with programming [23:38] i have no permission to his directory i have no clue what im doing :( same here [23:39] *** Joins: eci (blah@RAS1-p204.pt.netvision.net.il) werd. <@Mr_Hint> ok anyone, those who havn't figured it out yet, you can find his home directory by either viewing the $SUPERIOR environment variable by typing echo $SUPERIOR or looking at /etc/passwd, which is world-readable [23:39] [Mr_Hint PING reply]: 2secs <@Mr_Hint> hey eci <@Mr_Hint> so now, try listing the contents of superior's home directory uhm <@Mr_Hint> ./suid /home/b <@Mr_Hint> what do u see? heh <@Mr_Hint> eci, we're playing a little game here [23:40] fuck <@Mr_Hint> too bad u showed up late [23:40] slow down <@Mr_Hint> :-( <@Mr_Hint> ohh yeah, the server gets a bit slow <@Mr_Hint> just run ./suid /home/b [23:41] connection falled haha is it a unix game? [23:41] bash: ./suid: No such file or directory <@Mr_Hint> eci, it's a small wargame/mindgame i've set up it gives desktop bla and passwd <@Mr_Hint> Mind_Booster, it's in /home/a heh <@Mr_Hint> go to /home/a, inferior's home directory <@Mr_Hint> and run the suid program ./suid is when suid is in `pwd` <@Mr_Hint> Jobber-d, you've just displayed the contents of superior's home directory [23:41] [inferior@hitman a]$ ./suid /home/b [23:41] Desktop bla passwd [23:41] [inferior@hitman a]$ <@Mr_Hint> now how the hell were u able to do that? suid is when suid is in $PATH <@Mr_Hint> here's a hint: dir <@Mr_Hint> what is suid? <@Mr_Hint> what does it mean when you suid a file? no f'in clue suid is setuid, chmod +s heh <@Mr_Hint> that's right <@Mr_Hint> now, what does it do? quiet, your making me look stupid :) set uid on execution <@Mr_Hint> lol <@Mr_Hint> that's right eci <@Mr_Hint> or in other words... <@Mr_Hint> so the less knowledgeable of us could understand... haha <@Mr_Hint> when someone does suid on a program :P [23:43] I'm not understanding... After ./suid /home/b what is excpected? is raven asleep? <@Mr_Hint> it is always executed with that user's permissions oh wait heh ok... i found the moffats <@Mr_Hint> Mind_Booster, type ./suid without /home/b for an explanation on what the suid program does <@Mr_Hint> so the suid program must be set uid superior!! <@Mr_Hint> it run's with superior's permissions! <@Mr_Hint> that HAS to be exploitable, right? <@Mr_Hint> ok, so your next hint is system calls <@Mr_Hint> now, what are system calls? [23:44] Usage: ./suid directory [23:44] Directory is the directory to list. <@Mr_Hint> any programmers around? man 3 heh =) [23:44] what does this means? <@Mr_Hint> when do u use system calls in a program? when you dont want to use system() calls ;p why cant i access the moffats? <@Mr_Hint> Mind_Booster, suid accepts a directory as a parameter and lists it <@Mr_Hint> Jobber-d, what are u talking about? [23:45] lists it where? to jump to a subroutine ? nm im totally screwed up :( <@Mr_Hint> Mind_Booster, it just displays the contents of that directory [23:45] oh [23:45] bot... ./suid /home brings a list of thigs, and one of them is moffats [23:46] that should be impossible! <@Mr_Hint> Jobber-d, that has nothing to do with it <@Mr_Hint> :-) <@Mr_Hint> now, i'll tell u a little secret: [23:46] only root and superior should have access! <@Mr_Hint> this is how the suid program works like i assume you know of the security gap in unix <@Mr_Hint> telnet to hitman.hits.net.au <@Mr_Hint> eci, telnet to hitman.hits.net.au <@Mr_Hint> username inferior, pass inferior bah <@Mr_Hint> eci, i know what ur talking about <@Mr_Hint> don't tell them yet okie <@Mr_Hint> so anyway, i'll tell you how this little program works: just dont forget to tell them about the sticky bit <@Mr_Hint> when you type ./suid directory <@Mr_Hint> it takes the directory parameter <@Mr_Hint> and simply executes the ls command <@Mr_Hint> and sticks directory after it <@Mr_Hint> so you're actually making this command execute ls /home/b <@Mr_Hint> which lists the contents of the directory <@Mr_Hint> now... <@Mr_Hint> this program is suid superior [23:48] bu we don't have read access to the directory! <@Mr_Hint> that's why it can view /home/b, which is superior's home directory [23:48] *** Joins: SteeLe (Steele@ip111.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net) <@Mr_Hint> Mind_Booster, that's right <@Mr_Hint> but suid has <@Mr_Hint> because it's set uid superior <@Mr_Hint> :-) <@Mr_Hint> hey steele, you're kinda late I need the lecture! [23:48] and how can we access to suid programs? yea I know,I was here earlier but had to go <@Mr_Hint> u can have the logs later <@Mr_Hint> Mind_Booster, whenever u start this program, it is executed with superior's permissions instead of with inferior's permissions [23:49] like,... it's supposed that only rood have access to this! raven; dont make people use suid as its not posix and os-specific. chmod does it all.. <@Mr_Hint> that's why it can view /home/b <@Mr_Hint> but can't view /home/a <@Mr_Hint> eci, i'm talking about a program that resides in their home directory and is called suid <@Mr_Hint> it's the program we're "exploiting" <@Mr_Hint> :-) <@Mr_Hint> i never use suid, only mode +s shell script or a c program? <@Mr_Hint> c i never use +s, i use 4000 =) <@Mr_Hint> the source is not availalbe [23:50] chmod 777 is better <@Mr_Hint> lol, u know what i mean yeh ;p mind_booster heh =) [23:51] i just don't understand why can this program access like it was root <@Mr_Hint> ok, so in other words, the suid program executes ls /home/b with superior's permissions <@Mr_Hint> now, what can be done here? <@Mr_Hint> Mind_Booster, first of all it's not suid root <@Mr_Hint> it's suid superior <@Mr_Hint> now, i'll explain <@Mr_Hint> a certain user can do set-uid on a program that he owns <@Mr_Hint> so whenever it is executed <@Mr_Hint> it is executed with his permissions <@Mr_Hint> no matter who runs it <@Mr_Hint> this can be used for several purposes <@Mr_Hint> anyway, this program was suid'ed by superior <@Mr_Hint> we've done this earlier [23:52] ok <@Mr_Hint> now, let's put this aside for a second and try running a little command here? <@Mr_Hint> now, let's put this aside for a second and try running a little command here: [23:52] wher's this program to donwload? <@Mr_Hint> echo 1 ; echo 2 <@Mr_Hint> Mind_Booster, what program? <@Mr_Hint> everyone try typing echo 1 ; echo 2 [23:53] suid [23:53] [Mr_Hint PING reply]: 1sec well i give up <@Mr_Hint> Mind_Booster, i was talking about the program that's in your homedir all this time [23:53] echo jist writes, right? <@Mr_Hint> it is called suid as a hint <@Mr_Hint> yes, but watch the ; part <@Mr_Hint> echo 1 ; echo 2 <@Mr_Hint> what happens? <@Mr_Hint> it executes echo 1 and then executes echo 2 [23:53] i konw... but I want this program to myself! <@Mr_Hint> Mind_Booster, why would u want a program that lists the contents of a directory with some user's permissions, which doesn't even exist on other systems? <@Mr_Hint> so basically, we could do this: not that im impatient or anything of the sort, but hwo much longer do you think this will last? hahaha [23:54] raven, let's go <@Mr_Hint> ./suid "[inferior@hitman a]$ ./suid "/home/b ; cat /home/b/passwd" whats the purpose of this discussion anyway am I supposed to be logging this? i am <@Mr_Hint> eci, i'm just teaching something here what? [23:55] i'm logging who did you use to be, anyway mr hint so I am, I was j/w [23:55] *** Quits: SteeLe (Steele@ip111.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net) (Leaving) <@Mr_Hint> everyone try running [inferior@hitman a]$ ./suid "/home/b ; cat /home/b/passwd", the first one who manages to find out what has happened here is crowned as prime clown of the court <@Mr_Hint> Jobber-d, it's raven <@Raven> yup, he's me [23:56] the password is as <@Raven> clone user huh? oh hehe <@Mr_Hint> [inferior@hitman a]$ ./suid "/home/b ; cat /home/b/passwd" <@Mr_Hint> Desktop bla passwd <@Mr_Hint> azarbeijan <@Mr_Hint> [inferior@hitman a]$ <@Mr_Hint> we've just made the program execute the following command: [23:56] we cat the passwd file <@Mr_Hint> ls /home/b ; cat /home/b/passwd <@Mr_Hint> right! <@Mr_Hint> first list /home/b, and then display /home/b/passwd! hahaha! <@Mr_Hint> and since it runs with superior's permissions... <@Mr_Hint> it can view /home/b/passwd you are teaching them using `;'? [23:57] well... i tried to do thAT FIRS WITH pico /home/b/passwd but i had no permissions <@Mr_Hint> eci, i'm explaining about suid and exploitation using chaining [23:57] !!! uhm [23:57] * Min_spy is off now nite [23:57] *** Joins: Bish1 (ag@host62-7-34-86.btinternet.com) [23:57] *** Quits: Min_spy (fred27@dyn101-ras47.screaming.net) ( MafiaScript Version 6.0 Gold Edition Get it at.. Http://www.henterprises.com/sh/ ) ls -l /home/b <@Mr_Hint> Mind_Booster, because you didn't run it through suid eci are you playing right now? paste output no i'm just watching ah [23:58] *** Quits: PiGuS (I@ppp8-2.aquanet.co.il) (Leaving) <@Mr_Hint> alright, that ends it for today [23:58] SHIT [23:58] *** Quits: Mr_Hint (~irc@ras3-p144.hfa.netvision.net.il) (Mr_Hint has no reason) [23:58] mu telnet is crazy y <@Raven> someone send me the logs so i could post it on bsrf tomorrow [23:59] raven, whait pleazzzz here you go [23:59] *** Quits: moo (ag@host213-1-162-145.btinternet.com) (Ping timeout) [23:59] ./suid "/home/b ; cat /home/b/passwd" [23:59] when u do this [23:59] it doent work with me! Session Time: Sat Jun 10 00:00:00 2000 <@Raven> Mind_Booster, that's weird [00:00] *** Bish1 is now known as moo <@Raven> try copying and pasting <@Raven> what kind of an error message do u get? [00:00] it appears a > [00:00] > [00:00] *** Joins: ByteEater (n00n3@200.204.60.118) did you use a ' somewhere? [00:00] azarbeijan ??????? <@Raven> hello ByteEater <@Raven> azarbeijan, yes, that's the password <@Raven> it's a third world country [00:01] one more think.... when and what is the next lecture? [00:01] what is thos worth? Hi guys i thought it would be username: superior password: superior <@Raven> moo, i don't know yet <@Raven> Jobber-d, it's not superior's password k <@Raven> it's just the password for the game [00:01] jobber, i tried that one in the firs time at all! :P hehe did you get it ok raven? <@Raven> no, long story, send again plz np want mine? again? yeah mine started a little late send him yours just in case log that is <@Raven> nevermind, i'm already getting jobber's <@Raven> send it later, after i finish with jobber <@Raven> i'll tell u when <@Raven> because your two files collide ok [00:03] Raven, this is no worth, since we don't know how to have access into other directories, 'cuse suid is only user in this case! <@Raven> they have the same names whats your connection speed? i'm rewriting my unix guide especially for newbies eci where will it be posted? <@Raven> Mind_Booster, it was just a little trick <@Raven> it taught you what suid is <@Raven> and how to use ; <@Raven> it was worth it just for these two things <@Raven> best way to explain suid <@Raven> :-) [00:04] ok [00:04] :) eci? yes? where will you post the unix guide thing <@Raven> got it great <@Raven> now send yours, moo <@Raven> what unix guide? i'm working on it, and constantly updating eci said hes rewriting im making it a modular guide oh [00:05] one more thing, why do you can use "/users/b"... shouldn't u use "ls /users/b" ? writing part part will it be posted on blacksun.box.sk basic commands, features ? i dont think so piping, absolute filenames, etc.. <@Raven> jobber, yes [00:05] [eci PING reply]: 2secs alright thanks [00:05] *** Joins: Ghost_Rider (ghost@212.55.169.27) i wanna start <@Raven> hello ghost hi guys hey ghost hi raven <@Raven> just in time to see the lecture ending hi jobber hey Raven: well sorry man...i went to the cinema pitch black <@Raven> alright guys, i'll be away for several minutes nice movie:) [00:06] lolol <@Raven> catch ya later c ya raven [00:06] no cinema is better than this! <@Raven> i heard it's scary cya speaking of movies <@Raven> alright, be back later raven; go see ``boiler room'' if you like action, see m:i 2 btw [00:07] raven, ewhant my log? is it true that newbies dont bother reading long text files? and stop before they reach 30%? Mind_Booster: can you send it to me plez? and btw, raven [00:08] raven, want my log? [00:08] sure ghost i can create a machine [00:08] wait pleazzze that will run a certain OS eci im a mega-newbie (if thats a word) but im greatly interested and will read anything i can grab that you wont be able to know what os it is assuming you dont have root access of course I'm a fool and I do nothing but read (and eat cheese) reading is not enough oh yeah that too